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Celebrity Stories?

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Date: July 1, 2021 (22 days ago)


Magandang araw po sa lahat.

Nakatanggap ako ng mga inquiries mula sa mga writers and readers na nagtatanong sa mga isinusulat at nababasa dito sa FSS tungkol sa "celebrity stories". Siguro naman ay mapapansin niyo na may mga ganitong posts paminsan-minsan na kilalang mga artista ang person of interest.

Gusto ko sanang malaman ang opinyon niyo sa mga sumusunod:

1. Kayo ba ay sang-ayon o hindi na isulat bilang karakter ng kuwento ang mga nasa entertainment business? O mga "celebrity"? Bakit?

2. Kayo ba ay sang-ayon o hindi sa mga inilalagay na photos ng mga nasabing artista sa mismong istorya na sila ang bida?

Isa din sa mga isyu ay ang pag-post ng mga pictures na hindi nakatakip or nak...

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Van_TheMaster
July 1, 2021 (22 days ago)

Napaisip tuloy ako Sir Admin, kahit puro fictions ang mga story ko at hindi celebrity related. Gumagamit ako ng mga photos ng foreign model/actress/porn star sa mga story ko para may ma-visualize na image yung mga readers ng story ko. Ang mga pics na ginagamit ko ay available sa public, yes from google lang. Although wala akong magagawa kapag na-banned na yung mga paggamit nito, nakaka-upset na wala ng pang-visualize ang mga readers  in regards sa mga characters na nasa stories ko. Maybe this is not an issue sa ibang writers, but this is really upsetting to me kapag natuloy n ma-banned ang mga paggamit ng celebrity pictures. I hope na may workaround dito just in case lang na matuloy. Pero sana , Im hopeful na hindi naman.

"Finding happiness in other things that didn't matter before."

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Ellytheulol
July 2, 2021 (21 days ago)

Sirr inaabangan po naminn yung kwento ni dann sobrang ganda po kasi sana ma update po ty po:))

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Van_TheMaster
July 2, 2021 (21 days ago)

first week of july

Chapter 20 - Not A Game Anymore

"Finding happiness in other things that didn't matter before."

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Ellytheulol
July 6, 2021 (17 days ago)

Inaabangann kopo otorrr thankyou poo

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User Not Found
July 1, 2021 (22 days ago)

I'm not a lawyer nor claim to know the law. But based on my understanding about some things I've read in the past, the use of celebrities in such works falls under the parody category.
In most countries including the Philippines, parodies are legal as long as it is made clear that it's just a parody.
The only problem I can see about this is if those people used felt insulted by the work. They might file defamation. But I think we'd still be safe as long as we can prove that it's just a parody and does not claim any truth in it.
So better put a "parody" tag in such works like I do. Or put a disclaimer.

About the use of someone else's photos, that can fall under copyright law. From what I understand, every work such as writings and photos are automatically copyrighted the moment they are created.
But there's an exemption called Fair Use which gives the public freedom to use such materials as long as they don't violate the owner's rights.

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EgoXentricc
July 1, 2021 (22 days ago)

Nag point out ka ng parody. Napa google tuloy ako kasi baka kulang yung kaalaman ko about parody. Pero ngayon masasabi ko na ang mga stories dito regarding celeb wont fall under parody.

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User Not Found
July 2, 2021 (21 days ago)

Our own definition of parody is very narrow. When we hear the word, we often think of comedic version of an existing work.

But Wikipedia has a broader definition:
A parody, also called a spoof, a send-up, a take-off, a lampoon, a play on, or a caricature, is a creative work designed to imitate, comment on, and/or make fun of its subject by means of satiric or ironic imitation. Often its subject is an original work or some aspect of it — theme/content, author, style, etc. But a parody can also be about a real-life person (e.g. a politician), event, or movement.

I think what some writers do here is no different from what Family Guy does, but in an erotic way. And that's considered parody.

Google Larry Flint Vs Jerry Falwell. It's a much closer comparison. It is also under parody.

Nowadays, there's a better term for it. Real People Fiction or RPF. But it still falls under parody.
Google Darryn Walker's case.

I don't claim I'm right. I just share my thoughts based on what I've read.

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LudusMania143
July 2, 2021 (21 days ago)

This is a very interesting comment and POVs. Informative and thought-provoking.

captcha: JETTED

sex is ludus. lust is mania!

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kuatog
July 1, 2021 (22 days ago)

di man ako abugado pero may nababasa din nman ako tungkol s legalidad ng paggamit ng piktur ng ibang tao na walang pahintulot..maari itong humantong sa usapng legal...pero maari din nman ito magamit in case to case basis lang...maybe doon nlang cguro tau sa safe side...gumamit nlang cguro tau ng sarili natin pero ung katawan nakatalikod or hindi kita ang mismong mukha at hindi obvious na kinuha lang aa mga tinatago nating baul ng kalibugan...😁😁

basta masarap go !!!

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Balderic
July 1, 2021 (22 days ago)

Kung bawal, wala tayo magagawa dyan. Tanggalin natin. Kung okay naman, alamin natin ang di okay para iwas pusoy. May celeb stories din akong nagawa dati at okay lang sa akin tanggalin sila kung bawal.

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vincegarb
July 1, 2021 (22 days ago)

I have 3 celebrity fantasy stories, and ok lang kung tanggalin kung violation ito. Though mas worry ko dito ang mga kuwentong may temang criminal rape. Kung bawal ang kuwentong may menor de edad, palagay ko isama na nag mga kuwentong may temang criminal rape.

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Bebeko
July 3, 2021 (20 days ago)

@vincegarb, malalaman natin kung ano ang sasabihin ng maiimbitahan na abogado sa radio station ng fss soon. Not sure about the criminal rape kasi even in the movies merong ganyan na mga eksena.

"Freedom is absolutely necessary for the progress in science and the liberal arts." - Baruch Spinoza

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Mrs_Mai_Leebogacu
July 4, 2021 (19 days ago)

also please clarify with the lawyer if FSS is a general or private publication wherein the State Censorship agents can have jurisdiction, or if self censorship is enough.

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Bebeko
July 4, 2021 (19 days ago)

Okay we'll add it sa mga itatanong. Maybe we can just read the comments here if maraming inquiries. Thanks.

"Freedom is absolutely necessary for the progress in science and the liberal arts." - Baruch Spinoza

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User Not Found
July 2, 2021 (21 days ago)

I always make a conscious effort of following the rules set here. It is still up to admin to delete the stories if this is deemed illegal. I will be fine with it if my stories gets deleted for this purpose.

beach please

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sonching
July 2, 2021 (21 days ago)

Parody and satire doesn't apply here. Neither putting disclaimer would help you avoid libel or civil case.
What is clear is any photo or even just the name if used with malicious content including for sexual content could be a basis for libel or if the person or any reps of the gets offended or they deemed offensive then it could be a basis for a civil case for damages as provided under the New Civil Code under provision Art. 19.
Do note that many of the managers and handlers of celebrities have filed cases related to this already to protect their clients. So both the writer and the website are liable.

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Mrs_Mai_Leebogacu
July 4, 2021 (19 days ago)

I fully agree on this. Names and publicc persona are private property, impairment to the security of this right is protected by the Constitution on Sec.1 Art.III , through Art.32(6) [deprivation of property against any private persons ]and Art.33 [defamation]of the Civil Code.

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Mrs_Mai_Leebogacu
July 2, 2021 (21 days ago)

Public Persona is a property right, to avoid infringement of another person's right. I suggest writer's just used parody of the celebrity , the way Joey De leon or Michael V does.

Besides, using a celebrity person will only hinder creative , artistic development of the writers and readers.
But I sometimes ask, why are we interested in a exploiting a certain celebrity without his/her permission, is it some sort of fetish or branded mentality?

it still takes 70-95 years after death of owner before a brand becomes a public domain.  so better stick to those celebrity that are already considered part of public domain like Rapunzel, Snow white?  , Cinderella etc.

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Mrs_Mai_Leebogacu
July 2, 2021 (21 days ago)

pwede rin si Romeo and Juliet , Mona Lisa, Leonardo Da Vinci, Willam Shakespeare, marilyn monroe

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ProfSadist
July 3, 2021 (20 days ago)

1. Celebrity stories - go. Somebody mentioned these being considered as parodies and i am of the same thought. That's why you put disclaimers.
2. Images are trickier. Much better kung walang image o ibang image.
Blurred images are alright. I mean, just crop out parts of your face kung trip mo yun.

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Bebeko
July 3, 2021 (20 days ago)

We can talk about this very soon sa fss radio station.

"Freedom is absolutely necessary for the progress in science and the liberal arts." - Baruch Spinoza

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sonching
July 3, 2021 (20 days ago)

People here keep on mentioning parodies and clearly don't understand what it is. Parody or spoof lampoons someone or something in a humurous way or done for comic effect. Not for sexual gratification which damages a person's reputation.
I already cited the catch all phrase of Art 19 which is now often used by many parties to sue.

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Mrs_Mai_Leebogacu
July 4, 2021 (19 days ago)

I agree with you, transgression of Art.19 can be based on Art. 32(6) deprivation of property by any persons and or Art.33 defamation, Civil Code.
Ex. of Parody : Marian Rivera  becomes Mary-ann Revira , or its variations provided that no other private persons own such names, here creativity can be applied to avoid direct use of particulars names,
or otherwise use persona of those who are already part of public domain as the artistic use of such ,does not require permission from the owner or his estate.
so yeah, in my opinion use of current celebrity names of living persons should be banned, unless express permission for usage in a lewd manner is obtained from the owner/celebrity

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User Not Found
July 4, 2021 (19 days ago)

As I have said, parody is not limited to comedy.
Google Darryn Walker. He wrote a story about a real-life girl group. And in his story, the girls were kidnapped, raped and murdered.
They considered it a parody.

It is normal for the offended party to file complaints. That's their right. But the question is, would their complaint hold a weight? Can you get convicted?
Just because someone might complain doesn't mean we should stop. That would be against freedom of speech.

From what I understand, a writing becomes libelous or defamatory if there's no way for the readers to distinguish whether it's the truth or not.
So if there is a disclaimer, then the readers would know right from the start that it's just fiction. So how can it damage a person's reputation?

Again, I am no law expert. I base what I say from what I read and how I understood them.
I might be wrong or I might have understood them wrong. So if that is the case, I stand corrected.

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sonching
July 4, 2021 (19 days ago)

Again for the last time, as I said parody doesn't apply here. The Google that you speak of only applies to the First Amendment of the United States.
The Philippines don't have specific laws on parodies but have laws on Libel and Civil Liberties. The freedom of speech here is very different from the US and UK.
Also disclaimer have very limited applications and can't be used as a get out of jail card. In fact all cases in the Philippines that I know that used it as an excuse in court cases lost. The complete name is fair use disclaimer which permits the commentary, criticism or parody of copyrighted work... Again this has very little use in local laws and more suited in the US.

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Bebeko
July 4, 2021 (19 days ago)

We'll try to tackle this, too.

"Freedom is absolutely necessary for the progress in science and the liberal arts." - Baruch Spinoza

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Mrs_Mai_Leebogacu
July 4, 2021 (19 days ago)

Writing disclaimers can become incriminating because it is an admission of being fictitious or imaginary ,which is something not true, therefore a lie.
Free speech/expression is about guarding against the suppression of truths not lies.

Libelous/defamatory expressions can be real or imaginary per Art.353 of the penal code, and posting it in FSS could be judge as a publication.

Now non criminal actions by the celebrity may invoke a violation of her dignity per Art.26 of civil code for acts similar to vexation  or humiliation on account of personal condition i.e. imputation of sexual depravity when she presents herself as chaste in private and in her profession.

Now as to letting a court to decide, my question is , why would the FSS site or the writer be involved in a very costly litigation (Lawyers = $$$$) when it can be avoided.

Tanong ko lang : Kailangan bang mambalahura ng nanahimik na celeb para lang makagawa ng obra at matawag na artist ang isang writer

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sonching
July 4, 2021 (19 days ago)

Exactly Ms Mai. I've seen so many cases which easily lost because the disclaimer excuse they used became incriminating instead.

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User Not Found
July 4, 2021 (19 days ago)

Are you a lawyer sir? Can you provide me with links or even names of people involved in parodies that turned into legal cases here in the Philippines? Because I tried searching but found none.

As a writer, that would be very helpful in broadening my knowledge about my limits in this field.

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User Not Found
July 4, 2021 (19 days ago)

Fictions aren't lies. They are creative works. An art. And art is an expression.
That is why they are protected by the Freedom of Speech/Expression.

About your question, we are in a site where people can freely write and discuss about their sexual fantasies so long as they don't violate the site's given rules.
We are all adults here. We know what's truth from fiction. And we are all guilty of fantasizing our celebrity crushes.
Putting those fantasies into writing does not make anyone a sinner here.

About pambabalahura, I have read dozens of stories about celebrities but never in any way did they alter my perception about those celebrities.

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Bebeko
July 4, 2021 (19 days ago)

That angle will be mentioned in future interview with the resource person.

"Freedom is absolutely necessary for the progress in science and the liberal arts." - Baruch Spinoza

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User Not Found
July 4, 2021 (19 days ago)

So parodies are protected by the US First Amendment.

The First Amendment of the US constitution is the same as Article 3 Section 4 and 5 of our own constitution.

So how can it be legal in the US but not in this country when we have the exact same law covering it?

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sonching
July 4, 2021 (19 days ago)

Yes lawyers and defendants have tried using Article 3 Section 4 using the same argument that it's the same as the US when the nuances are different. What I'm citing are actual experiences where many have lost. If just for legal explanations from the SC you may refer to lawphil.net for parody or freedom of speech cases.

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Mrs_Mai_Leebogacu
July 4, 2021 (19 days ago)

I meant no offense, as I understand, the purpose of this blog is get the opinion of members involve in order to re-examine the FSS rules regarding celebrity stories.  The statutes above, are what limits the constitutionally supported freedom of speech/expression. There is no constitutional guarantee on "lies" masquerading as creative works when it only appeals to the prurient interest of an adult and not to adherence to contemporary community standards for the betterment of society at large. Refer to MADRILEJOS v GATDULA, GR184389,2019: "some forms of speech are not protected by the Constitution, It has been established in this jurisdiction that unprotected speech or low-value expression refers to libelous statements, obscenity or pornography, false or misleading advertisement, insulting or "fighting words,"
There is a fine line between private fantasizing/appreciation of a celebrity and publishing defamatory literature. Specially when that celeb has the capacity to sue.

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User Not Found
July 5, 2021 (18 days ago)

In order for a statement to be called a "lie" it must first be claimed or presented as the truth.

Lies and fiction are two different things.
Yes, lies are fiction. But fictions aren't lies.

Lies are meant to deceive.
But fictions are more for entertainment.
So saying that fictions are "lies" masquerading as creative works is a huge insult to all of the writers here.

If we are going to use Madrilejos v Gatdula as reference, then this whole site should be illegal as that case deals with Article 201. I just don't know if that law covers the internet because we are all aware that porn sites are still accessible in this country.

I think stories posted here can still be considered as private fantasizing because this site only caters to individuals who share the same interest. It is not advertised to the public, there is an age restriction and requires registration.

Private website -  a website available only to internal personnel or to registered users or partners with passwords.

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Mrs_Mai_Leebogacu
July 5, 2021 (18 days ago)

Please don’t feel insulted as I am a writer here myself. The admin ask for legal considerations, so what I’m saying is the arguments that a complainant may use against the FSS and its writers. Don’t take this personally.
The context of the statements are limited to involving names of living Celebs in sex stories without express permission of the person involved. The difference between lies and fiction are as what is generally defined as mentioned, no problem with that.
However the moment that unauthorized use of a private name is made into a story, there is no stopping the complainant from seeing the story as a masquerade especially when that person feels humiliated by the literature.

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Mrs_Mai_Leebogacu
July 5, 2021 (18 days ago)

As maybe complained by the victim celeb :
If its really a fiction, then why use my name (private complainant’s) on it, when there is no intent to deceive.  If it the writer is truly “creative” why cant he “create” a fictional persona for his suppossedly “fictional story” when there is no intent to deceive. Why did the writer have to involve me (the private person of the celebrity complainant) in that story
That is the context of the statement, when a particular real private person’s reputation/feelings is hurt/harmed , a well meaning creation /fiction becomes a lie in that case, and not in general works as you believe. When that is case, the court may find favor ,unless there is a confirmed express consent from the celeb.
The case mentioned shows only the views of the court regrading the extend of protection given by the free speech clause, and not intentded as a model case for the Admin’s issues ; that,  we can distinguish.

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Mrs_Mai_Leebogacu
July 5, 2021 (18 days ago)

As to whether or not FSS is a publication site, I had floated my inquiry on that to Sir Bebeko.  I assume it is a publication to complete the argument for a future complainant because persons above 18 of age and person without strict membership regulation may considered  make this site as as public. (Facebook posting is now considered as publication)
So the deal here is how to protect the site and writers from lawsuits. In this the self censorship (Admin rule against use of a living celebrity name as adopted personally by the private person) will be a great help.
Wala na nga kinikita ang writer sa pagsulat nya sa site , magastusan pa sa pag depensa sa kaso. Kung sasabihin lang natin na  bahala mag habla yung celeb , basta meron artistic freedom, e, maawa naman tayo sa pobreng writer, past and future.
And as what I heard from my grape vine and also by Mr. Sonching these kinds of cases are numerous and real.
Some may not reach the Supreme Court , kasi wala ng pang appeal ang defendant

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User Not Found
July 5, 2021 (18 days ago)

An exerpt from "Free Speech and Trademark Rights - a Dichotomy" by Mary Jude V. Cantorias

"Our criminal laws are sufficient to cover cases where there is intentional use of  the marks to disparage such marks or bring it to ill repute.  Our laws on libel and slander should instead apply.  Where marks have become  so popular that they become  part of the public’s everyday language,  the owners of such mark should not be so thin skinned as to consider every parody or biting remark  about it as a form  of tarnishment. The consuming public should be considered as having a modicum  of intelligence as to know when a remark  should be treated as a joke or should be taken seriously.  As has been  stated, the Courts should be made the final arbiter depending on the circumstances of each case."

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sonching
July 5, 2021 (18 days ago)

You are obviously pushing the idea hard that you are distorting the general idea by citing portions.
I know atty jude cantorias, i know where she teaches, her office and where the excerpt you cited was published. It's a lecture by the way she had. I won't name the school.
But that paper is about trademark infringement and published 15 years ago. She clearly cited in page 8 that "Free speech should be invoked...ideas without damaging the economic and moral rights of the plaintiff.
She then cited in page 9 "...include the lewd and obscene, the profane...their very utterance inflict injury..."
But many celebrities and their handlers are winning cases because the new civil code gives them more leeway with a rather open provision in art 19 "Every person must, in the exercise of his rights and in the performance of his duties, act with justice, give everyone his due and observe honesty and good faith", as i said, a catch all phrase in favor of the aggrieved.

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Bebeko
July 5, 2021 (18 days ago)

Please continue the discussion here. If may mga questions pa kayo  ay ilagay nyo lang dito at ipapabasa natin sa resource person kapag na-schedule na natin sa fss radio station. This is getting very interesting.

"Freedom is absolutely necessary for the progress in science and the liberal arts." - Baruch Spinoza

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Reginleif-I
July 5, 2021 (18 days ago)

I've some write-ups that feature celebrity and other taboo themes. One callout or private message from an admin and I'll swiftly erase them.

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Reginleif-I
July 5, 2021 (18 days ago)

I'm not one to debate so I won't bother with that. My only suggestion, if it comes to a point where celebrity fiction or the main themes I write about were to be banned from the site, is to at least allow distribution of it privately either via PM or by subscribing to an author's followers perhaps? The point would be to filter these.

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Bebeko
July 6, 2021 (17 days ago)

Thank you for that suggestion. We'll talk about that in our radio station with a lawyer as resource person to be announced soon. The admin will also post a blog if it happens.

"Freedom is absolutely necessary for the progress in science and the liberal arts." - Baruch Spinoza

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Yes_Man
July 10, 2021 (13 days ago)

I'm interested what a lawyer's opnion about this topic.

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Yes_Man
July 12, 2021 (11 days ago)

Google 'How to use real people in your writing without ending up in court - Helen Sedwick. She is a business lawyer.

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elpinoymatador
Tuesday, 20 July 2021 (3 days ago)

Hi, guys. Just a newbie here. I have one question. What if the subject of the story itself gave her consent to use her real picture?
May plan kasi akong magsubmit ng story about my real experience. The girl in my story said it's okay to use her actual pix (as long as blurred or covered ang face niya). Would thi be allowed by the FSS admin? By the way, the girl is a prominent figure in high soceity.

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